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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 8, 2007 6:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

With all respect, Mr. GOP,

I disagree on several points, agree w/others. My main beef w/what you said has to do w/Jerry's use of that I don't defend or decry his use of them. Makes no difference to me. Jerry's use of drugs didn't knock, for example, Eric Clapton from his place in the RockNRoll Hall of Fame. Music is music, and you listen to what you like. I don't give a damn what Jerry did or didn't do TO HIMSELF in his private life. (If I discovered he had run a dog fighting ring, my outrage may have been such that I would have reluctantly stopped attending shows due to moral outrage at behavior that hurt others. Likewise, I love films by Woody Allen, but that doesn't mean I like what he did in his personal life re: Mia Farrow and the step-daughter. But it doesn't change my mind that Annie Hall is a great film.)

The problem w/Cousin's ridiculous attempt to wed the two subjects--sports records and appreciation of music--is that one has a direct link to quantifiable records that make hard assessments, and the other is based on subjective approval of what pleases one's ear. The two have NOTHING to do w/each other.

Also, you are wrong about not knowing that Bonds is guilty. Bonds ALREADY has publicly admitted he used steroids--he admitted to a grand jury that he used a cream steroid given to him by his trainer--but added HE DID NO KNOW IT WAS A STEROID. OK...if you want to believe that, fine. I also have some real estate in Shangri-La I'd like to sell you. But technically, Bonds has already admitted to steroid use. And the fact that he has not sued the authors of "Game of Shadows", who reveal far greater steroid use by Bonds, should be enough to erase any reasonable doubt. You know as well as I that there is no way to prove Bonds used based on any other evidence, so waiting is fruitless.

Finally, just one more rejection--since he's iped up again here--to cousin's "point"...that it is hypocritical to blast Bonds and not Jerry. Again: Bonds has knocked an honorable man from his rightful perch as HR King in large part due to his use of PERFORMANCE ENHANCING drugs. Garcia's use of RECREATIONAL DRUGS hurt no one but--arguably, himself. The two are NOT related, and it is not at all hypocritical to call Bonds to the carpet on his cheating and his de-valuation of the game of baseball.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Aug 8, 2007 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

I so not disagree with you. As to Bonds"admission," I meant that his story was still up in the air. Look, I think he's guilty as sin--no way you hot 72 dingers in a season.

My point is exactly that musicians and their drugs are different from athletes and steroids. Clear as a bell. Apples and oranges. Steroids and smack.

And, yes, I like Jerry's music and Woody's flicks despite personal turmoil. BUT that is not to say that Jerry's drug use also set a poor example to many impressionable kids or that breaking the law is okay or that abusing yourself like that is a good thing.

Ironically the two are in apposition: Bonds took them and got stronger, Jerry took them and got weaker. It's all a shame.

But I do admire Jerry's achievements more that Barry's regardless.

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Poster: barongsong Date: Aug 8, 2007 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: *

Well I for one think it is very unfair what all those 60's musicians where able to write while on Owsley's finest. I mean how is any modern Jam band going to compete with the incredible music created back when he was pumping out that great stuff. That's it I'm going to protest until every copy of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and Electric Lady Land are recalled due to the unfair LSD advantage they had. Records are dumb. I prefer bittorrents myself, particularly this fine 69-04-05 show I'm listening to now. Wait don't tell me it's been chemically tainted by that Owsley fellow. Oh well guess I can't enjoy this show anymore. Hope you all see now how pointless this is.